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	<title>Comments on: Presidential run backlash discussion &#8211; HuffPo Brings It</title>
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		<title>By: Joyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found MTP less funny than Stephen&#039;s other appearances too, but for me, it was because Russert refused to budge and give &quot;Stephen&quot; more leeway to bring the funny. But keeping the regular level of MTP in mind, it was hilarious. 
Time and again, Stephen shows that he&#039;s smarter than what people expect or fear. Even now, when our expectations are higher than ever. Can&#039;t we just postpone our judgement until we see more? Rumors of shows in South Carolina has been circulating for months. The people at TCR have earned my trust by delivering time and again. I&#039;m sure they&#039;ve looked at every angle in that time, and thought of exit strategies (hey) if things got out of hand. 
The show, the character, the story arcs - they&#039;re all a huge roller coaster ride, in my view. Wiser to get off if you don&#039;t have the stomach for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found MTP less funny than Stephen&#8217;s other appearances too, but for me, it was because Russert refused to budge and give &#8220;Stephen&#8221; more leeway to bring the funny. But keeping the regular level of MTP in mind, it was hilarious.<br />
Time and again, Stephen shows that he&#8217;s smarter than what people expect or fear. Even now, when our expectations are higher than ever. Can&#8217;t we just postpone our judgement until we see more? Rumors of shows in South Carolina has been circulating for months. The people at TCR have earned my trust by delivering time and again. I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ve looked at every angle in that time, and thought of exit strategies (hey) if things got out of hand.<br />
The show, the character, the story arcs &#8211; they&#8217;re all a huge roller coaster ride, in my view. Wiser to get off if you don&#8217;t have the stomach for it.</p>
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		<title>By: jentaps</title>
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		<dc:creator>jentaps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! I read Rachel&#039;s piece and wondered if she were really a &quot;true&quot; fan. I trust in Stephen to keep bringing teh funny. So far, I&#039;m not tired of him. I just finished the book, and I sport my Wrist Strong bracelet proudly every day. And I thought the MTP &quot;interview&quot; was hilarious. Timmeh calling out Stephen on his statements from the book? The Bert doll? It went like every other interview of a politician went on that show, IMO. (Let them make their talking points. Bring up stuff they&#039;ve said, trying to create controversy. Make friends at the end. It&#039;s all theatre!) Only this was fun, because it was our Stephen. I, for one, can&#039;t get enough of him. And as far as the candidacy goes, he&#039;ll know when it&#039;s time to exit the race. The whole arc will be fantastic, I&#039;m sure. Stay strong, Nation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I read Rachel&#8217;s piece and wondered if she were really a &#8220;true&#8221; fan. I trust in Stephen to keep bringing teh funny. So far, I&#8217;m not tired of him. I just finished the book, and I sport my Wrist Strong bracelet proudly every day. And I thought the MTP &#8220;interview&#8221; was hilarious. Timmeh calling out Stephen on his statements from the book? The Bert doll? It went like every other interview of a politician went on that show, IMO. (Let them make their talking points. Bring up stuff they&#8217;ve said, trying to create controversy. Make friends at the end. It&#8217;s all theatre!) Only this was fun, because it was our Stephen. I, for one, can&#8217;t get enough of him. And as far as the candidacy goes, he&#8217;ll know when it&#8217;s time to exit the race. The whole arc will be fantastic, I&#8217;m sure. Stay strong, Nation!</p>
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		<title>By: warsucks</title>
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		<dc:creator>warsucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am confident that Stephen will unleash a fresh look at the candidacy, election process and all the salad dressing it goes with it... I am very tired of watching candidates from both sides trying to convince us that they will change the world for the best, when reality is that as soon as they have the power to run the show... nothing really will change for the vanishing middle class and the even more devastated lower class... Mostly, for this planet that is seriously getting pissed of at all of us...

I think Stephen will accomplish an excellent job either he will let his closest friend, Mr. Colbert, run the show or if he will give a chance to let the &quot;man&quot; ride along the breakers... Hopefully it will be a balanced act of the two, an eye-opener for whoever thinks only black &amp; white is the way to go... So far, Colbert is the only one to embody all the shade of rainbow necessary to make this excruciatingly long, expensive, corrupted and decadent process more interesting and possibly involving more people in the... &quot;black box voting machines system...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am confident that Stephen will unleash a fresh look at the candidacy, election process and all the salad dressing it goes with it&#8230; I am very tired of watching candidates from both sides trying to convince us that they will change the world for the best, when reality is that as soon as they have the power to run the show&#8230; nothing really will change for the vanishing middle class and the even more devastated lower class&#8230; Mostly, for this planet that is seriously getting pissed of at all of us&#8230;</p>
<p>I think Stephen will accomplish an excellent job either he will let his closest friend, Mr. Colbert, run the show or if he will give a chance to let the &#8220;man&#8221; ride along the breakers&#8230; Hopefully it will be a balanced act of the two, an eye-opener for whoever thinks only black &amp; white is the way to go&#8230; So far, Colbert is the only one to embody all the shade of rainbow necessary to make this excruciatingly long, expensive, corrupted and decadent process more interesting and possibly involving more people in the&#8230; &#8220;black box voting machines system&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: hard done by</title>
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		<dc:creator>hard done by</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question from a transfixed[me] UK observer; Do you have anything like the Monster raving loony party in the US?
http://www.omrlp.com/
We also had a monkey elected mayor once,the voters used the candidate as a means to express disgust with the political parties;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1965569.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question from a transfixed[me] UK observer; Do you have anything like the Monster raving loony party in the US?<br />
<a href="http://www.omrlp.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.omrlp.com/</a><br />
We also had a monkey elected mayor once,the voters used the candidate as a means to express disgust with the political parties;<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1965569.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1965569.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s already raised some interesting issues that I wouldn&#039;t have given any thought to. The filing process and fees, the whole question of keeping coverage equal (loved the post that MsI found on election reform), the corporate sponsorship questions. And that&#039;s just the first week. The Donors Choose straw poll is a nice touch and typical of Stephen&#039;s determination to use his powers for good. An early primary race is hardly on the level of the Nader-Gore split. And what an angle on the convention if he could get one delegate. So many ways to top the 2004 TDS coverage! As others have said, I think we can trust Stephen to know if the joke is getting old and tweak it as needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s already raised some interesting issues that I wouldn&#8217;t have given any thought to. The filing process and fees, the whole question of keeping coverage equal (loved the post that MsI found on election reform), the corporate sponsorship questions. And that&#8217;s just the first week. The Donors Choose straw poll is a nice touch and typical of Stephen&#8217;s determination to use his powers for good. An early primary race is hardly on the level of the Nader-Gore split. And what an angle on the convention if he could get one delegate. So many ways to top the 2004 TDS coverage! As others have said, I think we can trust Stephen to know if the joke is getting old and tweak it as needed.</p>
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		<title>By: karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does no one remember Pat Paulsen&#039;s run for president?  or Tanner, the documentary about a fake presidential candidate in the 1988 election (I think that&#039;s when it was).  i don&#039;t get the short term memories of the media; the public can be excused because you all might be too young to remember those other runs by a comedian and a fake politician.  Would that Stephen&#039;s run could single-handedly corrupt our political process, but it can&#039;t -- the politicans and voting public get to do that, not a comedian running in one state.  Ralph Nader maybe, just maybe, could be counted as a spoiler in 2000, but Stephen Colbert running in one state only?  Folks, get a grip, read his book, watch his YouTube videos in addition to the Colbert Report, and glory in the wonderfulness that is Stephen Colbert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does no one remember Pat Paulsen&#8217;s run for president?  or Tanner, the documentary about a fake presidential candidate in the 1988 election (I think that&#8217;s when it was).  i don&#8217;t get the short term memories of the media; the public can be excused because you all might be too young to remember those other runs by a comedian and a fake politician.  Would that Stephen&#8217;s run could single-handedly corrupt our political process, but it can&#8217;t &#8212; the politicans and voting public get to do that, not a comedian running in one state.  Ralph Nader maybe, just maybe, could be counted as a spoiler in 2000, but Stephen Colbert running in one state only?  Folks, get a grip, read his book, watch his YouTube videos in addition to the Colbert Report, and glory in the wonderfulness that is Stephen Colbert.</p>
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		<title>By: MadMoll</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadMoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The run in SC is also being used to garner much needed donations of needed school supplies for the schools. It&#039;s just another &quot;thing&quot; Stephen is auctioning for a worthy cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The run in SC is also being used to garner much needed donations of needed school supplies for the schools. It&#8217;s just another &#8220;thing&#8221; Stephen is auctioning for a worthy cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Splendiferous_Zeppelin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Splendiferous_Zeppelin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that I think his running must a good thing - at least on a certain level - since it has spawned so many interesting discussions about satire and the nature of our political process.  :)  I personally was not convinced by Ms. Sklar&#039;s article (I&#039;m not saying her view isn&#039;t valid; I&#039;m just saying I personally wasn&#039;t convinced by it).  I see in an abstract way why it might be a bad idea, but every time I think about the issue, I end up coming up with more concrete reasons why he *should* pull off this gag than why he shouldn&#039;t.  I don&#039;t find any of her points particularly convincing.

1) &quot;Extreme and unoriginal...&quot;  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s particularly extreme (especially in today&#039;s crazy political world) or unoriginal (what does a Robin Williams film have to do with his character? as Gaia Faye said above me, that seems irrelevant).

2) &quot;It threatens to get old.&quot;  The Colbert Report itself, a few days in, threatened to get old.  Nobody thought it would last for more than eight weeks, let alone two highly successful years.  Let&#039;s wait a while to judge the effort on the &quot;threatening to get old&quot; front.

3) &quot;A spoof candidate will get in the way.&quot;  I don&#039;t know that anybody knows this yet, either.  It all depends on how the writers and him play it out.  Yes, they have a huge responsibility to respect the political process, but the effort - if played correctly - might add to the discourse, not take from it.  As several have said above me, let&#039;s trust them!  They&#039;re a group of brilliant smart funny savvy people, and I&#039;m sure they&#039;re putting a lot of thought into this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that I think his running must a good thing &#8211; at least on a certain level &#8211; since it has spawned so many interesting discussions about satire and the nature of our political process.  :)  I personally was not convinced by Ms. Sklar&#8217;s article (I&#8217;m not saying her view isn&#8217;t valid; I&#8217;m just saying I personally wasn&#8217;t convinced by it).  I see in an abstract way why it might be a bad idea, but every time I think about the issue, I end up coming up with more concrete reasons why he *should* pull off this gag than why he shouldn&#8217;t.  I don&#8217;t find any of her points particularly convincing.</p>
<p>1) &#8220;Extreme and unoriginal&#8230;&#8221;  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s particularly extreme (especially in today&#8217;s crazy political world) or unoriginal (what does a Robin Williams film have to do with his character? as Gaia Faye said above me, that seems irrelevant).</p>
<p>2) &#8220;It threatens to get old.&#8221;  The Colbert Report itself, a few days in, threatened to get old.  Nobody thought it would last for more than eight weeks, let alone two highly successful years.  Let&#8217;s wait a while to judge the effort on the &#8220;threatening to get old&#8221; front.</p>
<p>3) &#8220;A spoof candidate will get in the way.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t know that anybody knows this yet, either.  It all depends on how the writers and him play it out.  Yes, they have a huge responsibility to respect the political process, but the effort &#8211; if played correctly &#8211; might add to the discourse, not take from it.  As several have said above me, let&#8217;s trust them!  They&#8217;re a group of brilliant smart funny savvy people, and I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;re putting a lot of thought into this.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaia Faye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaia Faye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of affecting the election, this is not a big deal.  Stephen has said it all stops in South Carolina. He is also a smart guy; if something goes wrong (including if it repeatedly fails to bring the funny), he can easily remove himself.  But really, I&#039;m not exactly sure what people are expecting will go wrong.

As for oversaturation-of-Colbert, I&#039;d rather wait and see what he does as this moves along to decide whether or not it&#039;ll flop.  Using Russert&#039;s interview as some kind of crystal ball is faulty.  I can&#039;t be the only one who got frustrated that Russert was asking &quot;Stephen&quot; about the actual Stephen&#039;s opinions, referring to quotes the character would not say or things the character would not do. He was muddying the waters and the joke didn&#039;t come through clearly, if at all. I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if that threw Stephen off.

Though I suppose Stephen has a responsibility for that, to be careful as to who he agrees to be interviewed by and maybe even to supply some instruction before it. It&#039;s a rocky start, but let&#039;s see where it goes before deciding he&#039;s going to mess up.

Bringing up &lt;i&gt;Man of the Year&lt;/i&gt; is irrelevant, as anyone who&#039;s seen that movie can tell you the people who made it didn&#039;t seem to know if they wanted to be funny or serious. And also because the main character was running seriously, not as a joke. And all other details that make that comparison make no sense at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of affecting the election, this is not a big deal.  Stephen has said it all stops in South Carolina. He is also a smart guy; if something goes wrong (including if it repeatedly fails to bring the funny), he can easily remove himself.  But really, I&#8217;m not exactly sure what people are expecting will go wrong.</p>
<p>As for oversaturation-of-Colbert, I&#8217;d rather wait and see what he does as this moves along to decide whether or not it&#8217;ll flop.  Using Russert&#8217;s interview as some kind of crystal ball is faulty.  I can&#8217;t be the only one who got frustrated that Russert was asking &#8220;Stephen&#8221; about the actual Stephen&#8217;s opinions, referring to quotes the character would not say or things the character would not do. He was muddying the waters and the joke didn&#8217;t come through clearly, if at all. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if that threw Stephen off.</p>
<p>Though I suppose Stephen has a responsibility for that, to be careful as to who he agrees to be interviewed by and maybe even to supply some instruction before it. It&#8217;s a rocky start, but let&#8217;s see where it goes before deciding he&#8217;s going to mess up.</p>
<p>Bringing up <i>Man of the Year</i> is irrelevant, as anyone who&#8217;s seen that movie can tell you the people who made it didn&#8217;t seem to know if they wanted to be funny or serious. And also because the main character was running seriously, not as a joke. And all other details that make that comparison make no sense at all.</p>
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		<title>By: stellar_dust</title>
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		<dc:creator>stellar_dust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I do agree that the MPT interview was not that great - Stephen will have to find a way to keep these interviews fresh, or stop doing them and constrain the campaign to his show&#039;s standard format.   There are numerous ways he could back up his &quot;platform&quot; in character to parody the positions of the &quot;real&quot; candidates.  But he&#039;s had similar problems bringing the character outside of Comedy Central before (O&#039;Reilly comes to mind) - the interviewer tries to talk to Stephen instead of &quot;Stephen&quot;, and it falls flat. So if he can just get them to start taking &quot;Stephen&quot; seriously in the same way that his guests do, I think it&#039;d start getting better.  I get that that will be hard, because he&#039;ll have to both cede control to the interviewer *and* maintain control of his ability to respond for maximum comedy ... but I have faith that if they do keep up with the in-character press appearances, they&#039;ll figure it out and improve in the &quot;funny&quot; department.  It took a few tries for the interview and BKAD segments on the show to gel; this is just another step.

And similarly, I don&#039;t think anything he&#039;s done with his candidacy is outside the realm of what&#039;s been done before on the show.  To me a run for the presidency feels like the logical next step for the character to take.  His responses have been consistent with the character, too - using lots of words to say nothing, declaring his views loudly and often, not budging his position on anything.  Pat Paulsen, running as a comedian, could make the blatantly satirical and biting jokes (and I think that&#039;s what I&#039;d expect if, say, Jon Stewart were to run).  Stephen is running as a character, though, and while he&#039;s a comedic character, he takes himself and his campaign very seriously, so he *can&#039;t* take it in that ha-ha direction and still be true to the character and the campaign.  It&#039;s at least one step beyond any previous joke candidacy.  It&#039;s a very difficult position, because he can&#039;t just *be funny*, he has to rely on others to play along by getting the joke and then still taking him at face value, and then *further* rely on the audience to grasp the satire.    He&#039;s playing an extended improv scene with a bunch of schmucks who haven&#039;t learned how to &quot;yes-and&quot;, basically!

But anyway, I&#039;m not overdosed (yet); I&#039;m fascinated with the layers and the implications to this whole thing!  And I think as we see it play out over the next few weeks/months, it will continue to be awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I do agree that the MPT interview was not that great &#8211; Stephen will have to find a way to keep these interviews fresh, or stop doing them and constrain the campaign to his show&#8217;s standard format.   There are numerous ways he could back up his &#8220;platform&#8221; in character to parody the positions of the &#8220;real&#8221; candidates.  But he&#8217;s had similar problems bringing the character outside of Comedy Central before (O&#8217;Reilly comes to mind) &#8211; the interviewer tries to talk to Stephen instead of &#8220;Stephen&#8221;, and it falls flat. So if he can just get them to start taking &#8220;Stephen&#8221; seriously in the same way that his guests do, I think it&#8217;d start getting better.  I get that that will be hard, because he&#8217;ll have to both cede control to the interviewer *and* maintain control of his ability to respond for maximum comedy &#8230; but I have faith that if they do keep up with the in-character press appearances, they&#8217;ll figure it out and improve in the &#8220;funny&#8221; department.  It took a few tries for the interview and BKAD segments on the show to gel; this is just another step.</p>
<p>And similarly, I don&#8217;t think anything he&#8217;s done with his candidacy is outside the realm of what&#8217;s been done before on the show.  To me a run for the presidency feels like the logical next step for the character to take.  His responses have been consistent with the character, too &#8211; using lots of words to say nothing, declaring his views loudly and often, not budging his position on anything.  Pat Paulsen, running as a comedian, could make the blatantly satirical and biting jokes (and I think that&#8217;s what I&#8217;d expect if, say, Jon Stewart were to run).  Stephen is running as a character, though, and while he&#8217;s a comedic character, he takes himself and his campaign very seriously, so he *can&#8217;t* take it in that ha-ha direction and still be true to the character and the campaign.  It&#8217;s at least one step beyond any previous joke candidacy.  It&#8217;s a very difficult position, because he can&#8217;t just *be funny*, he has to rely on others to play along by getting the joke and then still taking him at face value, and then *further* rely on the audience to grasp the satire.    He&#8217;s playing an extended improv scene with a bunch of schmucks who haven&#8217;t learned how to &#8220;yes-and&#8221;, basically!</p>
<p>But anyway, I&#8217;m not overdosed (yet); I&#8217;m fascinated with the layers and the implications to this whole thing!  And I think as we see it play out over the next few weeks/months, it will continue to be awesome.</p>
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